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		<title>Comment on Paul McAuley&#8217;s &#8220;The Quiet War&#8221; [2008] by Alexander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting discussion. Ultimately my reaction on reading this book was profound disappointment, after all the hype I&#039;d caught whiffs of, to the extent that I think Abigail and Niall were far too generous in their reviews. I liked the subversion of common military SF tropes, the political ideas on display--but the actual narrative bored me profoundly, and it was a real struggle to finish. Awkward, overwritten prose, flat and flat characterization, and severe issues in pacing. I&#039;m not glad I read this, except insofar as it allows me to understand different reviews and some of the varied criteria people pick up on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting discussion. Ultimately my reaction on reading this book was profound disappointment, after all the hype I&#8217;d caught whiffs of, to the extent that I think Abigail and Niall were far too generous in their reviews. I liked the subversion of common military SF tropes, the political ideas on display&#8211;but the actual narrative bored me profoundly, and it was a real struggle to finish. Awkward, overwritten prose, flat and flat characterization, and severe issues in pacing. I&#8217;m not glad I read this, except insofar as it allows me to understand different reviews and some of the varied criteria people pick up on.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Paul McAuley&#8217;s &#8220;The Quiet War&#8221; [2008] by White is for Linking &#171; Torque Control</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 08:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dan Hartland on In Great Waters by Kit Whitfield and The Quiet War by Paul McAuley [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Even A Pawn May Checkmate A King: &#8216;In Great Waters&#8217; by White is for Linking &#171; Torque Control</title>
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		<title>Comment on Paul McAuley&#8217;s &#8220;The Quiet War&#8221; [2008] by danhartland</title>
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		<dc:creator>danhartland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 22:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Niall:

&lt;i&gt;We’re clear that my reservation is not that the characters are low-key and modest in their roles, but that they’re not terribly interestingly done, yes?&lt;/i&gt;

We are, yes. And, again, it&#039;s not that I disagree with you - McAuley is not going to (hur hur) win any awards for the characterisation on show here. But, whether deliberate or not, that thinness feeds into the book&#039;s project. Or at least, that&#039;s how I read it - and why my enjoyment of the novel wasn&#039;t spoiled like yours. I suppose that, when you say &quot;the book’s interest too-obviously elsewhere,&quot; we are in total agreement ... and I rather liked the elsewhere. (The world has indeed turned upside down).

Adam: Yes, exactly. You&#039;re doing both at the same time. Good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Niall:</p>
<p><i>We’re clear that my reservation is not that the characters are low-key and modest in their roles, but that they’re not terribly interestingly done, yes?</i></p>
<p>We are, yes. And, again, it&#8217;s not that I disagree with you &#8211; McAuley is not going to (hur hur) win any awards for the characterisation on show here. But, whether deliberate or not, that thinness feeds into the book&#8217;s project. Or at least, that&#8217;s how I read it &#8211; and why my enjoyment of the novel wasn&#8217;t spoiled like yours. I suppose that, when you say &#8220;the book’s interest too-obviously elsewhere,&#8221; we are in total agreement &#8230; and I rather liked the elsewhere. (The world has indeed turned upside down).</p>
<p>Adam: Yes, exactly. You&#8217;re doing both at the same time. Good work!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Paul McAuley&#8217;s &#8220;The Quiet War&#8221; [2008] by Adam Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go too far, do I?  Or perhaps &lt;i&gt;not far enough&lt;/i&gt;, eh? eh? What?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go too far, do I?  Or perhaps <i>not far enough</i>, eh? eh? What?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Paul McAuley&#8217;s &#8220;The Quiet War&#8221; [2008] by Niall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. We&#039;re clear that my reservation is not that the characters are low-key and modest in their roles, but that they&#039;re not terribly interestingly done, yes? Edward&#039;s comparison with Kim Stanley Robinson is very apt, I think, except that for me KSR manages that humanity-in-modesty in a way that McAuley doesn&#039;t (in this book). The humans of The Quiet War feel dry to me; the book&#039;s interest too-obviously elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. We&#8217;re clear that my reservation is not that the characters are low-key and modest in their roles, but that they&#8217;re not terribly interestingly done, yes? Edward&#8217;s comparison with Kim Stanley Robinson is very apt, I think, except that for me KSR manages that humanity-in-modesty in a way that McAuley doesn&#8217;t (in this book). The humans of The Quiet War feel dry to me; the book&#8217;s interest too-obviously elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Paul McAuley&#8217;s &#8220;The Quiet War&#8221; [2008] by danhartland</title>
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		<dc:creator>danhartland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Correction: The Quiet War was nominated for the Clarke but lost it to Song of Time.&lt;/i&gt;

Er, yes, of course you&#039;re right. *shuffles* I can only beg post-midnight brain collapse. Correction made!

As for the faults of the passage ... as I said above, it&#039;s not that I&#039;d dispute your argument &lt;i&gt;per se&lt;/i&gt;. Bathos is usually my own first criticism of works like McAuley&#039;s, and his prose does indeed volunteers itself for the stocks. But I do think it needs saying that sexy space pilots of the future are taught Morse code - and that this has a richness to it when put aside the much-vaunted transhumanism of the pilots in question (and the wild fantasies of most military sf). That for me is the key to the book - all is absolutely not surface with it (we never see the levers which exert all this pressure on the characters, but that are, like dark matter, irrevocably present), but what depth there &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; is there only by implication. &lt;i&gt;The Quiet War&lt;/i&gt; doesn&#039;t make much of itself, that&#039;s true, but I think. conversely. that this makes it a more, not less, impressive work.

I wouldn&#039;t by any stretch want to argue that the book is a work of genius. I&#039;m just trying to figure out why I didn&#039;t experience it in the same way as you and Niall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Correction: The Quiet War was nominated for the Clarke but lost it to Song of Time.</i></p>
<p>Er, yes, of course you&#8217;re right. *shuffles* I can only beg post-midnight brain collapse. Correction made!</p>
<p>As for the faults of the passage &#8230; as I said above, it&#8217;s not that I&#8217;d dispute your argument <i>per se</i>. Bathos is usually my own first criticism of works like McAuley&#8217;s, and his prose does indeed volunteers itself for the stocks. But I do think it needs saying that sexy space pilots of the future are taught Morse code &#8211; and that this has a richness to it when put aside the much-vaunted transhumanism of the pilots in question (and the wild fantasies of most military sf). That for me is the key to the book &#8211; all is absolutely not surface with it (we never see the levers which exert all this pressure on the characters, but that are, like dark matter, irrevocably present), but what depth there <i>is</i> is there only by implication. <i>The Quiet War</i> doesn&#8217;t make much of itself, that&#8217;s true, but I think. conversely. that this makes it a more, not less, impressive work.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t by any stretch want to argue that the book is a work of genius. I&#8217;m just trying to figure out why I didn&#8217;t experience it in the same way as you and Niall.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Paul McAuley&#8217;s &#8220;The Quiet War&#8221; [2008] by Abigail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abigail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 08:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction: &lt;i&gt;The Quiet War&lt;/i&gt; was nominated for the Clarke but lost it to &lt;i&gt;Song of Time&lt;/i&gt;.

And that passage you quote is everything that bothers me about the novel in a handy, compressed form.  Do I really need to be told what the morse code for SOS is, or that pilots are taught morse code?  I think McAuley could have written the same quiet, passionless narrative without making it so bloody blatant, so completely devoid or mystery or a sense of there being anything beneath its surface.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction: <i>The Quiet War</i> was nominated for the Clarke but lost it to <i>Song of Time</i>.</p>
<p>And that passage you quote is everything that bothers me about the novel in a handy, compressed form.  Do I really need to be told what the morse code for SOS is, or that pilots are taught morse code?  I think McAuley could have written the same quiet, passionless narrative without making it so bloody blatant, so completely devoid or mystery or a sense of there being anything beneath its surface.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mostly Who by danhartland</title>
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		<dc:creator>danhartland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It was quite a classic Russell T Davies episode, in many ways&lt;/i&gt;

Swap that &#039;classic&#039; for a more equivocal &#039;quintessential&#039; and I&#039;d agree with you. ;)   RTD&#039;s episodes are pretty much eating themselves at this point, I think. Having said that, I agree (to my surprise) that we might find ourselves missing both he and Tennant, yes ... there&#039;s an energy and humanity to even their worst moments that won&#039;t be easy to recapture.

Having said &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt;, I watched the last 15 minutes of Last of the Timelords on iPlayer last night, and frankly if I never see all of humanity making the Doctor into a floaty Holy Ghost again I wouldn&#039;t mind too much. So maybe not &lt;i&gt;even&lt;/i&gt; in their worst moments ... !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It was quite a classic Russell T Davies episode, in many ways</i></p>
<p>Swap that &#8216;classic&#8217; for a more equivocal &#8216;quintessential&#8217; and I&#8217;d agree with you. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />    RTD&#8217;s episodes are pretty much eating themselves at this point, I think. Having said that, I agree (to my surprise) that we might find ourselves missing both he and Tennant, yes &#8230; there&#8217;s an energy and humanity to even their worst moments that won&#8217;t be easy to recapture.</p>
<p>Having said <i>that</i>, I watched the last 15 minutes of Last of the Timelords on iPlayer last night, and frankly if I never see all of humanity making the Doctor into a floaty Holy Ghost again I wouldn&#8217;t mind too much. So maybe not <i>even</i> in their worst moments &#8230; !</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;I Can Discover Facts, Watson, But I Cannot Change Them&#8221; by danhartland</title>
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		<dc:creator>danhartland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Casebook is the collection I&#039;m on now, as you&#039;ll have seen. The few gems like this one aside (and how much do the good bits of these later stories rest on the investment put into the earlier ones?), it&#039;s easily the weakest of all five. Cona Doyle&#039;s writing can seem cool and functional, yeah - having said that, I wonder if a florid style could have done Holmes justice! ;)

Chuffed you&#039;re enjoying the posts. I&#039;m beginning to wonder what I&#039;m going to do with myself next year, when all the stories are gone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Casebook is the collection I&#8217;m on now, as you&#8217;ll have seen. The few gems like this one aside (and how much do the good bits of these later stories rest on the investment put into the earlier ones?), it&#8217;s easily the weakest of all five. Cona Doyle&#8217;s writing can seem cool and functional, yeah &#8211; having said that, I wonder if a florid style could have done Holmes justice! <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Chuffed you&#8217;re enjoying the posts. I&#8217;m beginning to wonder what I&#8217;m going to do with myself next year, when all the stories are gone!</p>
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